Newington pub history index
Duke of Sutherland, 51 Lorrimore Road, Walworth, Newington SE17 - in 1971
Kindly provided by Paul Prior
Residents at this address.
1869/Joseph Hollibone/../../../Post Office Directory **
April 1870/the executors of Joseph Hollibone/Outgoing Licensee/../../Era Newspaper
April 1870/Margaret Hollibone/Incoming Licensee/../../Era Newspaper
1881/John S Ripley/Licensed Victualler/49/Wandsworth, Surrey/Census
1881/Margaret Ripley/Wife/44/Pimlico, Middlesex/Census
1881/Arthur J Holicon/Stepson/24/Pimlico, Middlesex/Census
1881/Ernest J Holicon/Stepson, Auctioneers Clerk/20/Kensington, Middlesex/Census
1881/William J Holicon/Stepson, Diamond Setter/19/Kensington, Middlesex/Census
1881/Lavinia A Holicon/Stepdaughter/18/Kensington, Middlesex/Census
1881/Percy C Holicon/Stepson, Clerk To Ship Brokers/16Kensington, Middlesex/Census
1881/Caroline Rouse/Visitor/26/Soham, Cambridge/Census
1881/Louisa Bacon/Barmaid/25/Hampstead, Middlesex/Census
1881/Helena E Chesson/Servant/28/Leysdown Sheerness/Census
1882/John S Ripley/.. /../../Post Office Directory
1884/John S Ripley/.. /../../Post Office Directory
1891/Alfred Joseph Hollebone & Co/../../../Post Office Directory
1895/Alfred Joseph Hollebone & Co/../../../Post Office Directory
1899/Richard John Gedny/.. /../../Post Office Directory
1910/Albert Curtis/../../../Post Office Directory
1915/Horace Cormack/../../../Post Office Directory
1921/Horace Cormack/../../../Post Office Directory
John Samuel Jones is believed to be the eldest of John and Emma. He was born at 57 Willow walk, Curtain Road, Shoreditch, London, England; his birth is probably "Shoreditch December quarter 1872".
John's occupations can be traced quite significantly He joined the British Army on the 20th November, 1889 at age 17 and served for for 7 years and 3 months until he was discharged on the 20th February, 1897. He worked as a barman between the time of leaving the Army and joining the Metropolitan Police Force, which he did on the 6th September 1897. At the time he was a single man residing at 52 Cottenham Road, Holloway. According to the internet "Cottenham Road" could also be "Walthamstowe" which is apparently very close to Holloway. This is the same address he was residing at when he retired in 1923. He was allocated Warrant Number 83227 and was initially posted to "L" or Brixton Division. He served in this division until 29th April, 1899, when he was transferred to "S" Division.
Granted leave of absence on the 27th January 1900 he fought in the Boer War in South Africa from this date until the 11th July, 1902. Information from the Rootsweb Boer War list stated that he was originally with the 2nd Dragoon Guards but then during his service in the Boer War he requested a transfer and was on loan with the 4th Dragoon Guards. This is the same regiment as his brother Henry, my grandfather. During the Boer War he was captured but then released at Uitval Nek, on 11th July 1900. A report of his capture was located in an on-line report in The Standard newspaper of London, dated Thursday July 19, 1900, in The Casualty Returns, under the paragraph "The following are reported missing from Uitval's Nek (known as Nitral's Nek0, July 11 :-" Among all the names listed is "3579 Jones (late 4th Dragoon Guards)" This creates some conjecture because all the names are listed under "Royal Scots Greys." I was always under the impression that he was a Dragoon Guard. He was awarded the QSA with bars Cape Colony, OFS, Transvaal and 1901. He is recorded as Corporal 3579. Little is known of his other overseas service apart from the Boer War.
John returned to work in the Metropolitan Police Force on the 10th July 1902 subsequently returning to "S" Division. On the 6th March, 1913 he was transferred to "A" or Whitehall Division where he worked as P.C. 611A until the 5th November, 1923 when he retired on a pension, having completed 26 years service. His pension award number is 26443. His pay when he retired was four pounds 15 shillings a week plus 10 shillings rent allowance and his pension was one hundred & sixty five pounds four shillings and eight pence per annum. He was subsequently issued with a certificate which confirmed his conduct as "exemplary". At the time of his retirement he was a widower. The document states that at age 54 - this appears to be incorrect, as he was born in 1872, so in 1923 he would be 51 years old - but this may have had something to do with the possibility of putting up his age to get into the Army or even the Police Force early. At this time he was described as 5 feet 10 and a half inches tall, brown hair turning grey, grey/blue eyes, and a fresh complexion.
A possible death of his Wife is recorded at June quarter 1923 listing an Emma G Jones 48 years Chelsea 1a, 415. This has all the correct details but is not confirmed.
It is believed there were no children from the marriage of John and Emma. Their wedding was a double wedding with John's younger brother Sidney marrying Emma's sister Eliza in the same church on the same day; in Islington,1898. This is held in the marriage register for St.Pauls, Upper Holloway 2. The same registers also contain the marriages of Sidney to Eliza and Henry to Louisa, a third brother and sister marriage.
On the 1st January, 1934, John's Father died and he was present at the death. He has recorded his address in the death certifcate of his Father as 51 Lorrimore Road, Walworth which is the Duke of Sutherland pub.
John died on 25th November 1946. He was living at 18 High Street, Kingsland, Dalston Junction, London, E8 at the time of his death. This was the "Kings Arms" pub and his death certificates states that he was a licensed victualler manager". *
1934/Jn S Jones/../../../Kellys Directory
1938/Wm G McNaughton/../../../Post Office Directory
1944/Wm G McNaughton/../../../Post Office Directory
* Provided By Bob