Brown Bear, Bow street, Covent garden and the early police station, and licensed victuallers

I know you may find this quite boring, but I tend to delve into some of the earlier records as I find time, and have been working through the Licensed Victuallers association for 1825.

As part of this update, I found a Brown bear listed in Bow street, Covent garden. I next looked at the 1832 and 1842 street directories, I have, but this was not listed. So I thought I would update all of the current pubs at that time, and for that period; to rule this out as being an earlier name for a pub – they do change names a lot.

I next took a look at a very slightly earlier Pigots directory of 1829, and this gave me an address of 33 & 34 Bow street for the Brown Bear. And, interestingly enough there is a police station listed here by the 1842 directory. I wonder if it is a famous police station?

Apparently so. I have now found three entries for the Brown bear, but the history online does not match this with the police station, apart from being at the same address. One brownie point for me.

pub wiki and pub history

I was about to drop the pub wiki site, as I know I have far too many web sites; but at the last minute I decided to renew the domain name. It is actually a good domain name.

I have so many sites, I lose track which does what, and this one is good, I need a big list above my head, in capital letters reminding me what I do. I do pub history, and London history, these are my main criteria; and most of my sites are great, even though I often look at them and think they are far too personalized as to specific people at a building at a specific period in time, usually long before 1940, and sometimes before 1840. Who cares about these old sites?

I am also building a history of the original London wall around the city of London, which could have been built as early as AD 200, although I still think AD 390 is more appropriate. And other stuff, too, all about London.

Most people interested in pubs are the youth, who are only interested in whether a pub is open, and where it is, and what is going on. Is it a decent pub, or serve good food, or worth queuing to get into etc.

If a pub is closed, there are all of the closed pub sites and the random bloggers, and lots of people who can tell you a lot more than I can ever tell you about a pub and its recent history. I concentrate on the pubs that also closed a hundred years ago, and were only open for, say, ten years.

There are also a whole host of sites which have been built about a specific area, and link in some instances to other history sites, and also some of these have long stolen my detail added, why they did this, I will never fathom, they leave themselves open to being known a boring site. I update areas randomly.

Then there are the CAMRA sites, of which many are not bad, e.g. is not bad.

Then there is the pub history society, and I have had a few words with them in the past about removing a link to my site whilst linking to a thief site (scumbag) – enough said.

The point is, my pub history site/s are OK, and my London site is amazing, and I am always working on making anything to do with London better. And I get my free London pass in a couple of months, and will be there every day!

And I also gave up smoking after 45 years, at 30-50 a day. This should extend my days of writing complaints about those who steal my efforts; and never one to keep quiet, as several past employers will endorse, when I told them where to shove it, or words to that effect.

In fact,

Plympton St Mary, Devon pub history & London history

A few additions to the pub history of Plympton St Mary, Devon added tonight. I have not got back to 1851 yet, which is the update I was planning to add. I will get there eventually, given enough time.

In the meantime, I have also been updating my London wiki, this is anything to do with London history. Absolutely anything to do with London, and I am currently working through the Roman era, and will be adding details about the London wall, as I decide how to update this relevantly.

As ever, I am getting there slowly, and have probably taken on more than I can manage, but hey ho.

I also had a gas leak in the house today. It was only a minor gas leakm but I am glad I called the emergency number, and it was fixed within two hours – brilliant service, thank you.

Lastly, I have smoked cigarettes for about forty five years, and up to fifty a day. Seriously.

I am now on day eleven of having stopped. The vape is getting used heavily, but I feel good for this. Woohoo! This should extend the lifetime of the pub history updates and London history additions etc.

Hampshire pub history today

I received a number of modern pictures for Winchester today, brilliant. As usual, I tend to update an area when I add updates.

After a few Winchester 1911 census upgrades, I was drawn to a place called Braishfield. After some research I then linked this to Michelmersh, obviously still in the 1911 era, and the census.

Latterly, I was researching other areas in Hampshire, but this time using the 2018 pub listings I have on the site, and latterly the 2017 pubs according to various brewers.

One pub which caught my eye was the Dog and Crook, in Braishfield. But the 2018 listing places it in Eastleigh – that’s it really.

I have added a host of other updates since, and there are more to come.

Cambridge pub history

I had a rather long email today, thank you. It was talking a bout a recent public house in Cambridge, and describing the research undertaken to show the road renumbering of Fitzroy street, in Cambridge.

I admit to the fact that this is how I research specifics of an address , etc, etc.

So, I thought I would take a look at the Cambridge pub history. Firstly, I rebuilt the entirety of the Cambridge web pages with a number of fixes, and added an index link to each page. I am now working through the 1911 census summary of St Andrew the Great and St Andrew the Less, and will have an index page for this 1911 census walkabout ready soon, hopefully tomorrow.

That is it at present, but Cambridge pubs, I have not forgotten you!

Whitechapel, the Baker & Basket, 16 Leman street 1816 to 1941

I have selected one random page of my pub history site in Whitechapel, which happens to have some interesting records. Ewans pubology site agrees the rough dates are correct, although these are only a guess, as I don’t have other records to add at present. Actually, he gets the dates from my research, it is one of the few pages he has not added records, he is a rather nice person!

Here are all the records for the Baker & Basket as listed on my site at present:

1816/William Day / Victualler /../../Sun Fire Office records held at Guildhall Library ***

1823/William Wilson / Victualler /../../Sun Fire Office records held at Guildhall Library ***

1831/James Towler / Licensed Victualler & Cellerman to a Wine Merchant /../../London Gazette, 27 December 1831 ***

1833-34/John Rudd, Baker & Basket, 11 Redlion Street, Whitechapel/../../Pigots Directory ****

1839/James Hutchins/../../../Pigots Directory ***

1841/James Hutchens/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1842/Jas. Hutchens/../../../Robson’s Directory ***

1850/James Hutchens/../../../Post Office Directory ***

1851/Edward Bonney/../../../Kellys Directory ****

1852/Benjamin Staines/../../../Watkins Directory ***

1856/Benjamin Staines/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1856/Samuel Faver / Pot Boy/../../Proceedings of the Old Bailey **

May 1861/William Martin/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

May 1861/George Church, the younger/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

May 1862/George Church the younger/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

1862/G Church jun/../../../Post Office Directory ****

May 1862/Henry Finch/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

November 1864/Sarah Finch, administratrix of Henry Finch/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

November 1864/Samuel Simpson Smith/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

1869/Samuel S Smith/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1871/Samuel S Smith/Licensed Victualler/28/Rutsby, Norfolk/Census ****
1871/Eliza Smith/Wife/51/Stoke Newington/Census
1871/Martha Smith/Daughter/20/London/Census
1871/Samuel S Smith/Son, Clerk/18/London/Census
1871/Ada L Smith/Daughte, Apprenticer/16/London/Census
1871/William W Smith/Son/14/London/Census
1871/Sarah Ann Smith/Daughter/12/London/Census
1871/James E Smith/Son/8/London/Census
1871/Jane Evans/Aunt, Widow/71/Yarmouth/Census
1871/Thomas Sanders/Potman/17/London/Census

1874/S S Smith/../../../H D Miles Directory of Licensed Victuallers **

14th July 1874/Samuel Simpson Smith/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

14th July 1874/Charles John Cepsey?/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

August 1875/John Allen/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

August 1875/Henry Buckner/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer ****

22nd January 1876/Henry Buckner/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

22nd January 1876/Isaac Rosenberg/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

12th May 1877/F Rosenberg/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

12th May 1877/Robert John Hayes/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

1878/Robert John Hayes/../../../Post Office Directory ***

10th January 1880/James Chamberlain/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

10th January 1880/Frances Annie Seaborne/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

1881/Francis Ann Seabourne/Licensed Victualler, Widow/50/Harwich, Essex/Census ****

1881/Arthur Rend/Son, Licensed Victualler/22/Haggerstone, Middlesex/Census
1881/Frank Rend/Son, Licensed Victualler/21/Haggerstone, Middlesex/Census
1881/Flory Seabourne/Daughter/13/Whitechapel, Middlesex/Census
1881/Edward Seabourne/Son/8/Sidcup, Kent/Census

1882/Mrs Francis Ann Seabourne/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1884/George G Betjeman/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1886/George G Betjeman/../../../Business Directory of London ***

9th July 1892/Francis Sprag/Outgoing Licensee/../../East London Observer +

9th July 1892/Charlotte Reeves/Incoming Licensee/../../East London Observer +

1893/Charlotte Reeves / Public House Keeper/../../Proceedings of the Old Bailey **

1895/John McKinley/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1899/John McKinley/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1906/Richard J Davis/../../../Morris’ Business Directory of London ***

1910/Mrs Elizabeth Davis/../../../Kellys Directory ***

1911/Henry Levy Steingold/Licensed Victualler/28/London/Census ****
1911/Katie Levy Steingold/Wife, Assistant/28/Germany/Census
1911/Greta Levy Steingold/Daughter/1/London/Census
1911/Albert Levy Steingold/Son/2 months/London/Census
1911/Alf Strudwick/Barman/23/London/Census
1911/Elsie Chapman/Servant/15/Surrey/Census

1915/Henry Levy Steingold/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1921/Henry Levy Steingold/../../../Post Office Directory ****

1929/Henry Levy/../../../Post Office Directory ***

1937/Ernest Edwd. McHard/../../../Post Office Directory ***

1941/Ernest Edward McHard / Deceased, Died 19 April 1941/../../London Gazette, 10 December 1946 **
1941/Mary McHard / Deceased, Died 19 April 1941/../../London Gazette, 10 December 1946

What I need to understand is should I alter each page to make the site more interesting?

I am not sure what welse I can do to make the site more interesting as regards factual events to confirm that this pub existed at specific times in its life, and the changes in licensees.

That’s it really.

I think I have probably answered my own question. Each individual licensee record is relevant to someone interested in that person. Most people just want a picture, and an approximation of dates that a pub is open. They do not have the intellect to absorb more than this, why should they want to?]

Over the coming years, I may make a change to the way the site is built, but at the present, I will just leave it as it is, it’s pretty amazing already.

pub history in Bedworth, Warwickshire

I do still run a pub history site which is nothing to do with London and the South. The last couple of days, I have been updating Bedworth in Warwickshire, in the Nuneaton area.

I always remember Nuneaton from my grandfather who always thought it an amusing name to use. I have no other links to the town!

An email for an update to Bedworth, and I have found a few 1911 census records to add to many beer houses in the area, and a bit more.

That’s it really.

pub history & mobile responsive page

I need to explain something first. I have spent nearly 20 years building a pub history site, which is desktop biased. Some of the pages on the site are mobile friendly according to google, but they link to thousands of pages which are not.

You can enter the London pub history site via my best index of lists of old London pubs

You will then get lost. The search engine is OK, but actually it is crap. It is a free search engine by google of my site, but is it is far from perfect.

Apart from putting all of my data into a database, and refining the search through this, I do not know what else to do – the site is too big with nearly 50 thousand pages.


That’s what it is, a pubwiki.

I currently have an issue with the fact that blogs seem to appear in search engines far quicker than additions and updates to an older style of web site. The pub history site currently has nearly 50 thousand pages, which also includes some duplication, lots of lists, etc etc. It does also have some structure which I always find that a wiki does not.

The wiki is therefore just an entry site to my amazing lists of old pubs.